Yes, i'm 27 years old and just started going to church, thanks to my wife. I like it and am very interested. I am also doing bible studies with our pastor 1 time a week. We are studying the gospel of John right now, and also Exodus. But i have a question , i hope it makes sense.......
Didn't GOD give the 10 commandments to Moses so that the people would follow them? And if thats true, then how come in the chapter John of the new testimate, Jesus tells people pretty much not to follow those? Jesus is GODS son, so how come they both said 2 different things, if they are one?
I hope this makes sense, i am not trying to be mean or anything. I am just asking so i can learn and continue in my bible studies. I just was a little confused about this part.
I just started going to church and doing bible study, but i have a question regarding Jesus and Moses?
Ill give you 2 perspectives.
1. the old testament was only meant for the jewish people. Jesus came to both Jews and Gentiles, so the law had to be modified by jesus to accomodate people like tax collectors, samaritans e.t.c.
Reply:It's a very good question! I'm curious to see what kind of spin they put on it in church!
Reply:No problem...
Jesus came to fulfill the Law %26amp; the prophets....
Are the 10 commandments still legitimate? Absolutely
Can people keep the whole Law? Absolutely not...
This is why Christ came in the first place.....to save us from our sin.
Reply:You are talking about old testament law vs. the new law of Jesus Christ. The old testament law still applies, but thru faith in him is what fullfills it and gives us salvation. Jesus tells
in the new testament that all the commandments are summed
up into two commandments "Love you neighbor as you thy yourself" and "Love thy God with your heart and you soul"
These are the two greatest commandments.
Always ask questions!
God Bless
Reply:This is a very complex subject, so I'm going to explain it in the simplest terms possible. The laws given through Moses served several purposes; ONE of those purposes was to convey certain concepts to the Jews in a symbolic way. When Jesus came, He explained what this symbolism meant. THEREFORE, we say that Jesus "fulfilled the Law," but He didn't "destroy it." (See Matthew 5:17.)
Here's an example of symbolic meaning in the law and fulfillment through Jesus:
The sacrificial laws given by God through Moses are referred to as the "Levitical sacrificial laws." Each of the different Levitical sacrificial laws required a perfect sacrifice and the blood sacrificial laws required that the animal be perfect. The sinner placed his or her hand upon the animal, thus "transferring" the sin to the animal, which was then slain and its blood sprinkled according to the law's requirements.
Jesus' sacrificial death on the cross FULFILLED all the symbolism of the Levitical sacrificial laws. Therefore, the prior system, which consisted of symbols only, isn't necessary. So He didn't get rid of the laws, He explained what they really meant.
Reply:Jesus fulfills the law and all it's requirements. Simply believe in Him and the law has no power over you. Christ Jesus is our New Covenant with our heavenly Creator. He paid the price, once and for all, for all of our sin and rebelliousness. No more law, we have Grace, we no longer try to please God by doing "Works" we simply believe He is who He claims to be and we allow Him to do His "Works" through us. We take no credit for these "Works" rather, we give all thanks, praise and glory to God Almighty.
God Bless You....Peace.
Reply:Essentially the answer is that Jesus fulfilled the law and became the "high priest" by making the ultimate sacrifice. Another way to look at it is that his teachings are more of a generally guidance on how to fulfill the spirit of the law and not get caught up in the details. "Do unto others" pretty much takes care of most of it.
Even though I don't believe in your chosen religion, good luck.
Reply:God the father has given the 10 commandments to us. Now Jesus didn't change any of the commandments but gave different prospect to them. He said, the greatest commandment is to 'Love your neighbour as yourself".....
Reply:in the 10 commandment the first 5 tell you how to Love God and the last 5 tells you how to love your neighbor. Everything else Jesus taught was to help understand and live the 10 commandments...and the 10 commandments help us to understand and live the 2 greatest commandments. Hope that helps.
Reply:Jesus never tells them not to follow the 10 Commandments...
It must be read in the context of the verse...as well as the culture. Any questions, feel free to email me m_ryan_a@yahoo.com
Reply:Sweetie, where exactly in John does Jesus say to not follow the 10 commandments. I have never read that in the Bible. The Word of God does not contradict itself, it may seem like it does to us, but if we study it, we will find that it does not. Jesus does want us to follow the 10 commandments. Good luck in your bible studies and I am glad that you are finally going to church.
Reply:Nine of the original Ten Commandments are summed up in the three commands Jesus gave to His church.
1. Love God
2. Love your neighbor
3. Love one another
There are actually 613 commands in the Law of Moses and these were nailed to the tree along with Jesus and cancelled. See Colossians chapter 2 about this.
The Sabbath law was only meant for the Jews and never anyone else.
Jesus is saying you don't need to worry about those 613 commands which you couldn't keep anyway.
Just worry about the three.
Does that make sense?
Pastor Art
PS: As others have requested, I too would like to see the exact passage you are referring to and I'd also like to know what type, which denomination of church you are attending.
Reply:In your studies, do some other research. Remember the bible (what there now is left of it) is simply the musing, folk lore and history of one rather small tribe of starving stone age shepherds. Taken in this light, you as well ought to be studying holy books of other tribes in the area at the same time. As for Moses, and the 10 commandments, those come originally from the set of 12 denials, that each Egyptian had to recite as he entered the Valley of Reeds on what amounted to his judgment day (the weighing of his heart). (If you wish to know more, find a copy of the Book of Ani, Book of the Dead, more properly translated as The Book for Going Forth by Day. These 12 denials precede Moses by some 1200 years. All of the present bible looks little as it did years ago, and things that were unfavorable to the thinking in England in the 1600, were omitted.... the Gospel according to Philip, Thomas and Judas have all been expunged. You can google all of this to begin your sources, and you can get books from amazon that compare the gospels that are still in the bible.... Likely they had a common source, and you can find and study that as well. Just remember, that the Tribe of Israel did not live in isolation, and traded ideas as well as goods and services with other tribes around them.
Your issue with god and jesus, about split the church apart in 330 AD. This was included in the problem as well as whether or not Jesus could be man and god at the same time. At Nicenae it was settled.... He could be both, and that was the end of it. From that earth shattering conference, we got the Nicene Creed... read it. It is still recited in churches today..... The issue was declared a none-issue ----- end of argument.
Church history is full of contradictions... Just remember one thing.... it was always about power and money... ALWAYS
Reply:Uh, yeah.... God gave moses the Ten Commandments. Those were for those people to live by. Later, Jesus came and "died for a new covenant", meaning that we dont have to obey those ten commandments anymore. This is why Christians eat shellfish now (which is an abomination to God, according to Leviticus), but still look to Leviticus to spread hate regarding homosexuality.
Ask your pastor why there is absolutely ZERO historical evidence for 40K+ jewish slaves leaving Egypt.... The Egyptians kept detailed records, including how much wheat and grain they had grown each year - but they didnt bother writing down that some Jew told the Pharoh to get stuffed and walked out of Egypt with 40K+ slaves in tow??
Reply:No one can keep the Ten Commandments on their own. The Bible says that all are condemned by the law no one is justified and all are condemned; but through Jesus we will be saved I think that you might go to www.wayofthemaster.com. On that site you might understand better. Plus things will become clearer as you develop your owe personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
Reply:Thats awesome that you have started going to church and are seeking out God. God sent Jesus Christ to the earth to take our place and die for our sins but also to bring about a new way of life. Jesus coming broke the old traditions and rituals that people h ad been following. He took the previous commandments and molded them but he didnt destroy them. For example, he said that it is wrong to murder someone, but its just as wrong to murder them with our minds. This Christianity that was birthed is a lifechanging one in which you must put your way of life to death. The old testament shows us the way to the New testament and the new way of life. Grr, I'm not very good at putting my thoughts into words...sorry...but if you want to talk, id love to chat with you about this subject
Reply:Jesus doesn't tell anyone not to follow the commandments, they are the main laws and are to always be followed (where did you see different?). When it talks about Jesus and God being one (as well as the Holy Spirit--hence the Trinity) it is no different than your body, soul and spirit being one. Each one is different but they are all required for you being alive. Hope this helps.
Reply:The ten commandments were more of just guide lines. Jesus is the way to heaven and he wants to elaborate on the fact that you shouldn't concentrate on what not to do but to love Jesus and repent.
Reply:Yahshua didn't do away with the ten commandments. If any man tells you this then he is a liar or lacks understanding. Read Matthew 5 starting in verse 17.
John especially stresses the law. I would like to see the verse you are referring too.
Stop listening to any man who tells you that the commandments were done away. He is a false minister and minister of darkness and will NOT be in kingdom of heaven when Messiah returns to set it up.
Reply:so which IS THE WORD of GOD? old testament or new?
I will tell yoiu something else you may or may not know.
did you know there are missing gospels? oh yeah, in 1947 some parchments were found that are supposedly about Jesus himself, written BY Jesus himself. The exact contents of the parchments have not been divulged by the vatican.and let me tell you the Vatican holds more secrets than the pentagon. The Mary Magdalene gospel is available on the internet to read provided it is not made up.There are many passages missing from that text by the way. why cant the truth come out? The vattican would experience a global crisis of faith if they revealed all they know about the life and times of Jresus Christ. and remember the bible has gone thru so many translations and Kings of men deciding which bits were important enough to keep. My guess is there exists or did exist enough information that would fill another bible size book. It has been reported or rumored if you will that King James himself had to decide which part of God's "word" to leave out of the bible.
Reply:Jesus came to fullfill the law and by showing the people they need a Savior b/c it was impossible to keep every commandment apart from Him.
Reply:there are 2 different sections in the Bible. the old and new testaments. for me, the old testament is very difficult to follow. this is the time before Christ. God is preparing the world for the arrival of his son,Christ, in the old testament. if you want real spiritual fulfillment stay in the new testaments, matthew, john, luke, and pslams. once you understand these passages clearly, then start asking your pastor questions about more difficult subjects. i hope you stick with it. you'll be very glad you did.
Reply:Our Lord founded a Church (Matthew 16:18-19), not a book, which was to be the pillar and ground of Truth (1 Timothy 3:15). We can know what this Church teaches by looking not only at Sacred Scripture, but into History and by reading what the earliest Christians have written, what those who've sat on the Chair of Peter have spoken consistently with Scripture and Tradition, and what they've solemnly defined. To believe that the Bible is our only source of Christian Truth is unbiblical and illogical.
During the Reformation, primarily for doctrinal reasons, Protestants removed seven books from the Old Testament: 1 and 2 Maccabees, Sirach, Wisdom, Baruch, Tobit, and Judith, and parts of two others, Daniel and Esther. They did so even though these books had been regarded as canonical since the beginning of Church history.
When examining the question of what books were originally included in the Old Testament canon, it is important to note that some of the books of the Bible have been known by more than one name. Sirach is also known as Ecclesiasticus, 1 and 2 Chronicles as 1 and 2 Paralipomenon, Ezra and Nehemiah as 1 and 2 Esdras, and 1 and 2 Samuel with 1 and 2 Kings as 1, 2, 3, and 4 Kings—that is, 1 and 2 Samuel are named 1 and 2 Kings, and 1 and 2 Kings are named 3 and 4 Kings. The history and use of these designations is explained more fully in Scripture reference works.
"To get the full flavor of an herb, it must be pressed between the fingers, so it is the same with the Scriptures; the more familiar they become, the more they reveal their hidden treasures and yield their indescribable riches."-- St. John Chrysostom, A.D. 347-407
The Process of Lectio Divina
A VERY ANCIENT art, practiced at one time by all Christians, is the technique known as lectio divina - a slow, contemplative praying of the Scriptures which enables the Bible, the Word of God, to become a means of union with God. This ancient practice has been kept alive in the Christian monastic tradition. Together with the Liturgy and daily manual labor, time set aside in a special way for lectio divina enables us to discover in our daily life an underlying spiritual rhythm. Within this rhythm we discover an increasing ability to offer more of ourselves and our relationships to God, and to accept the embrace that God is continuously extending to us in the person of Jesus Christ.
Lectio - reading/listening
THE ART of lectio divina begins with cultivating the ability to listen deeply. When we read the Scriptures we should try to imitate the prophet Elijah. We should allow ourselves to become women and men who are able to listen for the still, small voice of God (I Kings 19:12); the "faint murmuring sound" which is God's word for us, God's voice touching our hearts. This gentle listening is an "attunement" to the presence of God in that special part of God's creation which is the Scriptures.
THE CRY of the prophets to ancient Israel was the joy-filled command to "Listen!" "Sh'ma Israel: Hear, O Israel!" In lectio divina we, too, heed that command and turn to the Scriptures, knowing that we must "hear" - listen- to the voice of God, which often speaks very softly. In order to hear someone speaking softly we must learn to be silent. We must learn to love silence. If we are constantly speaking or if we are surrounded with noise, we cannot hear gentle sounds. The practice of lectio divina, therefore, requires that we first quiet down in order to hear God's word to us. This is the first step of lectio divina, appropriately called lectio - reading.
THE READING or listening which is the first step in lectio divina is very different from the speed reading which modern Christians apply to newspapers, books and even to the Bible. Lectio is reverential listening; listening both in a spirit of silence and of awe. We are listening for the still, small voice of God that will speak to us personally - not loudly, but intimately. In lectio we read slowly, attentively, gently listening to hear a word or phrase that is God's word for us this day.
Meditation
ONCE WE have found a word or a passage in the Scriptures which speaks to us in a personal way, we must take it in and "ruminate" on it. The image of the ruminant animal quietly chewing its cud was used in antiquity as a symbol of the Christian pondering the Word of God. Christians have always seen a scriptural invitation to lectio divina in the example of the Virgin Mary "pondering in her heart" what she saw and heard of Christ (Luke 2:19). For us today these images are a reminder that we must take in the word - that is, memorize it - and while gently repeating it to ourselves, allow it to interact with our thoughts, our hopes, our memories, our desires. This is the second step or stage in lectio divina - meditation. Through meditation we allow God's word to become His word for us, a word that touches us and affects us at our deepest levels.
Prayer
THE THIRD step in lectio divina is prayer: prayer understood both as dialogue with God, that is, as loving conversation with the One who has invited us into an embrace; and as consecration, prayer as the priestly offering to God of those parts of ourselves that we have not previously believed God wants. In this consecration-prayer we allow the word that we have taken in and on which we are pondering to touch and change our deepest selves. Just as a priest consecrates the elements of bread and wine at the Eucharist, God invites us in lectio divina to hold up our most difficult and pain-filled experiences, and to gently recite over them the healing word or phrase God has given us in our lectio and meditation. In this prayer, this consecration-prayer, we allow our real selves to be touched and changed by the Word of God.
Contemplation
FINALLY, WE simply rest in the presence of the One who has used the Scripture word as a means of inviting us to accept a transforming embrace. No one who has ever been in love needs to be reminded that there are moments in loving relationships when words are unnecessary. It is the same in our relationship with God. Wordless, quiet rest in the presence of the One who loves us has a name in the Christian tradition - contemplation. Once again we practice silence, letting go of our own words; this time simply enjoying the experience of being in the presence of God.
"Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ." -- St. Jerome, A.D. 340-420
Reply:the commandments are to establish an understanding of sin and Jesus came to set us free from our sin...
it is not that He was saying not to follow the commandments but that there is a more important command than the letter of the law which is the law of love
Reply:There are three types of OT laws: Civil (government), ceremonial (pointing to a Messiah - Jesus), and moral. Of all the OT laws, only about 6% can be applied outside the State of Israel. That fact, along with all the laws that were fulfilled with Jesus' death on the cross, basically eliminates all the civil and ceremonial laws. That leaves us with the moral laws to ponder.
Moral laws applied to pre-Israel, Israel, and post-Israel. The NT confirms that the moral laws are still in effect (homosexuality, adultery, etc.). All of the Ten Commandments were repeated again in the NT except keeping the Sabbath (the principle of one day of rest still applies, just not necessarily on Saturday). The NT also confirmed it isn't just the action that is wrong, but also the "thought" behind a wrong action (Matt. 5:27-28).
Remember, the law can't save you (Gal. 2:21). But we will be judged according to its righteous standard as it applies to us (I Cor. 3:13-15).
Reply:bible studies with your pastor?
you dont have blockbuster around?
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