Thank you very much, and God Bless you all.
And I humbly beg of you guys to please don't start the rant of "Messianic Judaism is not Judaism". I respect your opinions, and I ask of you to please respect me enough to keep those comments to yourself.
Once again, thank you very very much, I really appreciate it.
Have a good night and God bless!
Do you know any good Messianic Jewish Bible Study websites?
Here are a few sites to help direct you in your search, when searching sites please becareful to avoid ones that have ties to "jewsforjesus" as they are not assocated with the Messianic Jewish Community whatsoever, Also in your search while many ministries have some good programs and appear very Jewish they are run by christians and while they may be good, they don't fully understand Judaism as they are not Jewish, therefore they may view things differently like Peters dream, many christians will say see we can eat unclean foods, yet any Jewish person knows, he was being shown that the gentile people where not unclean, for G-d is the creator of all life and what G-d has made is not unclean, it did not have to do with food, and no where in scripture do we see that Peter ever eat unclean food, however he did go and share the message with them, however it shows that James,Peter,Paul and the others agreed that gentiles should follow the %26amp; laws of Noah. If you need anything else just email me and I'll try to help you out.
http://www.messianicjewish.net/
http://www.messiahnj.org/
http://www.mbiyeshiva.edu/
http://www.messianicassociation.org/a-lj...
http://www.afii.org/material.htm
http://messianicart.com/chazak/
http://www.ucmjs.org/
http://www.umjc.net/
I'm a Conservative Torah Messianic Jew!
Hear, O Israel: the L-RD our G-d is one L-RD
Shalom
Reply:Ariel ministries is one.
Reply:Try a search engine. Your very question shows you want to get a response. You are really looking for a Baptist Minister's web site. Go for it. Have a wonderful life as a Christian.
Reply:You may respect my opinions, but you don't respect Judaism. Which is more important?
Reply:Christians--what you you think about a group who did all the "Christian" things, like celebrate Easter, Christmas, wear crosses, read and study the New Testament, etc, and called themselves "Christian" but left out one little part--they refuse to recognize that Jesus ever existed. Would you wholeheartedly accept them as fellow Christians or would you not? If you answer the answer my question truthfully, your answer would of course be "NO!". That is they way the "Messianic Jews" are to us real Jews--a complete and total fraud by calling themselves Jews. Jews, as most of you should already know, do not include Jesus in any way as any part of the religion. Now maybe you will begin to understand why we do not consider them Jews. I would have not problem with them at all if they kept doing exactly what they do now except use SOME OTHER NAME for themselves because by using our name we are grossly misrepresented to the extreme!
We will not refrain from exposing them as frauds whenever we can, so asking us not to "rant" is useless.
Try Moshe's links (just above) and you will find out what we are saying is true. They try to convince you that you can believe in Jesus and still be Jewish (which is nonsense). One of his links tells you the 13 principles of "Messianic Jewish Faith" Guess what No. 2 is? It's "2. I believe Yeshua Ha'Nazaret is the Messiah of Israel." and Guess what No. 9. is? It's " I believe Yeshua was physically resurrected on the third day by Adonai to openly show that His death had reconciled Israel to Adonai." Now, does that sound Jewish to you???????????????????????????? How could this possibly be any more obvious that this cult is not Jewish!!!
Reply:No. dear, as a Jew you should find your Christ.
IF He is calling YOU, then YOU are one of the Called.
Reply:No such thing. Messianic Jews = Deceitful Christians.
Reply:I respect you and in the same vein, please respect the viewpoint of the Jews when WE say, there is no such thing as Messianic Judaism.
You are NOT a Jew, you are a Born Again Christian.
Accept that simple fact as you did Jesus Christ and you'll be a lot happier and less of a hypocrite.
Reply:Why is it 'ranting' to be upset by deceit and lies?
Why would you object to people urging HONESTY?
Why can't you be truthful and call yourself what you are: CHRISTIAN?
If it's so damn important to you to be 'jewish' then why don't you act with integrity and convert TO Judaism?
Why do you feel it is somehow OK to TWIST and MISrepresent our religion to the point where people don't even know what Jews believe any more - or is that what you WANT to happen?
And why do you think that any Jew should respect YOUR feelings when you so blatantly DON'T RESPECT OURS?
EDIT TO MAISY
You are an APOSTATE. You may have been born Jewish but you have now 'opted out' of the Jewish community.
That is your right, of course it is.
But what you do not have any right to do is lie by claiming to represent Jewish belief when anyone with a sane mind can see you worship Christ and are practising CHRISTIANITY.
Can one be Christian and deny Jesus? No.
Can one be Jewish and worship Jesus? No.
ABIGAIL
- oh, so when we DEFEND and DEFINE our religion, according to you, we are 'attacking'?
OK, then what would any Christian do if I started a group that claimed to be 'real Christians' WHILE distorting Christian belief?
They would also 'attack', would they not? And rightly so!
You have no right whatsoever to try and put us in the wrong when ALL we ask is that people don't LIE about what Jewish belief is.
Or are you also saying that as mere Jews, we don't even have the right to DEFINE our OWN faith???
I think that is precisely what you seem to be saying.
Reply:I'm Jewish and I believe in Yeshua as the Messiah.
-edit-
Paper- I've heard it all before. I was born Jewish and I'll always be Jewish. If fact, Yeshua makes me more Jewish.
Reply:FYI:
http://www.ou.org/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Messianic_...
http://www.messiahtruth.com
http://www.outreachjudaism.org
http://www.noachspace.com/
Reply:Disclaimer: The following is not a rant. It should be said in a low tone, with a sigh and perhaps a cookie.
Messianic Judaism IS Christianity.
Definitions: Christianity: The worship of jesus
Messianic Judaism: The worship of jesus (aka yeshua)
Notice a difference? Neither do I.
Reply:well, I'll refrain fromt eh rant and not simply suggest "a church" but I would like to point out why the rant would be otherwise forthcoming.
The group you label not only doesn't exist, but it can't in an honest context. The rant, then, is one bron of indignation at misrepresentation and a dishonesty in nomenclature which makes the rest of us look bad.
Asking someone not to comment is tantamount to posting a question about "All americans are murderers" support groups and not expecting an American to wish to defend himself simply because he is supposed to respect you.
I'm just sayin'.
Reply:No, dear, you are supposed to be a Jew.
http://www.outreachjudaism.org/
http://www.jnet.org/
http://www.chabad.org/
Reply:I can tell you as you check out our Pastor Hagees web site at NO TIME do the Evangelicals have any ties to the Jewish born people who are known as Messianic Jews. They according to church history, the same Jewish Believers that walked with Our Lord Jesus. They are not members of any Evangelical church and recieve no funding from us period! They do not attend our "Night to Remember Israel" and they are not members of "Christians United for Israel"
I am a Evangelical Christian, I am also a member of the biggest Evangelical Christian Church in America~~~Cornerstone Church.
Edit:paperback you say "Why can't you be truthful and call yourself what you are: CHRISTIAN?" well for one thing show me one time Jesus or Peter or Paul or James said they were christians, you can't so why would a Jewish person who is like the disciples call themself a christian when they are not, they adhere to the strict guidelines and teaches of the Disciples, not the christian church, actually they rebuke the pagan things the church had adopted over the years! and that baptist thing is about the weakest answer I have ever seen when no one buys them as real jews anyway let alone honorable christians, I have many friends who are Baptist and they disown them according to their Baptist Elders, like you do the messianic jews. No one is trying to define Judaism, we just happen to accept them for who they are Jews who believe in Jesus period. You go around posting that they convert to christanity.. funny no christian church has any records of jewish people converting to christanity, which by the way is a matter of public record. I see your from you the UK how do you explain the "fact" as you always say "no Jewish rabbi" when you one of your own is calling for the acceptance of the messanic jews?
Edit:mama you say "You are engaging in behavior that is NOT tolerable or respectful in a civilized socieity." according to who..you?
"Don't expect respect of behavior that is disrespectful." How do people respect you when you lie about us? If a jewish person wants to believe their way, who are you or me or anyone for that matter allowed to tell them how to believe I don't see them killing anyone or burning down someones house of worship like just recently in Israel by a Orthodox Jewish man did and hurt a young messianic boy... clean up your own backyard before you address others! For the record no one respects jews for jesus they are deceitful and underhanded in they way nothing like Jesus and his disciples.
You and your friends go around posting how messianics are Evangelical Christians when they are NOT! They don't even try to convert people special Jewish people and they tend to push gentiles to follow the 7 Laws of Noah, they don't say Jesus was God, they don't worship him as a deity, they don't honor christmas or easter so how are they christian?
One more point if someone wants to ask a question on Y%26amp;A and you don't like it DON"T answer it then! Seems you have this conflict cause you open up whith we are defending ourselves, defending from what the asker asked a question about obtaining info! I fail to see the attack
Reply:You could try www.torahclub.org or skb@messianictorah.org
Jews are always going to attack, so get used to it.
Shalom
Reply:Messianic Judaism is not Judaism.
I know you asked, but it's not an "opinion." It's the truth.
Please avoid these sorts of movements. Have some sort of respect for Jewish law.
Actually, you know what? The best thing to do is go to a real Jewish website (like http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/ ) and read about Judaism. I hope you are intelligent enough to see why "Messianic Judaism" is just a lame term for Christian.
Reply:Overall, in my every day life, I don't bother to think about Christian beliefs much. I am friends with many Christians. I have a few family members that are Christians. Until or unless they're trying to convert me, they misrepresent an aspect of my faith or they're hateful to me and try to base it on their belief, I get along with most folk. I am be respectful and tolerant of the right of individuals and groups to have their own unadulterated culture, customs and beliefs. My tolerance extends to the point where the expression of those beliefs violate certain standards of behaviors: If they attempt to violate another’s civil rights, seek to incite harm to anyone, willfully deceive another or misrepresent the beliefs of others then my tolerance ceases.
You are engaging in behavior that is NOT tolerable or respectful in a civilized socieity.
NO Jewish person of integrity respects groups or individuals who misrepresent Christianity AS a form of Judaism. No Christian of integrity respects Christianity being misrepresented in order to gain Jewish converts. Unfortunately, many people still remain unaware of the deceptions because they're often presented in such a "humble" manner.
You may try to phrase your question in a manner that on the surface appears to be asking for simple respect of your right to believe as you see fit..in Christian dogma. that is your right and I respect that. Ido not respect misrepresentation of Judaism, and it makes no difference if you say PLEASE resepect you..that doesn't make what you requested us to respect..respectable!
Don't expect respect of behavior that is disrespectful.
You may be humbly begging people to respect you lying about Judaism, but that is not something your opinion or even my opinion can change! Jewish law from Torah determines what is and is not Judaism.
I am thankful that more and more Christians of integrity are coming forth to speak out against this deception as well.
It is creating discord, misunderstanding and Jew hate because when evangelics who teach this form of Christianity teach..so often they preface it by saying that Jews hate them for their belief in Yeshuah..and that is NOT true.
We simply will not be silent when Judaism is misrepresented.
MAZEL TOV to you if you believe in Jesus. If belief in the New Testament is what sincerely speaks to your heart..FOLLOW IT! I don't care.
I DO care when you or anyone else tries to misrepresent Judaism.
If you wish to discover Jewish Bible study web sites I will be happy to provide to you a great many reputable and wonderful sites to study Tanakh.
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cd... %26lt; here is a COMPLETE JEWISH BIBLE online to start you off
Shalom!
EDIT: IF Maisy was born a Jew ( to a Jewish mother) and now believes in Christian doctrine, according to Jewish law that remains unchanged..Maisy is considered an apostate who has removed him/herself from the Jewish people and is no longer counted as a member. Maisy may not be buried in a Jewish cemetary, may not speak to represent Judaism, is not counted in a minyan, does not qualify as a Jew under the law of Return for Israel, and ONLY if Maisy goes through formal steps of repentance and return ( including immersion in a Mikvah) and abandons the replacement theology covenant and returns to Jewish belief..would be able to call him/herself of the Jewish belief! Because a Jew adopts a different religion does not make the different religion Jewish religion.
This question was definitely a trolling question because you even recognize that your statement would not be respected by anyone whose faith is Judaism!
EDIT: I must also now comment on how the Jewish responses to the MISREPRESENTATION of Judaism is now falsely characterized as ATTACK..Is that not PRECISELY what I said was the most offensive thing that these deceptive evangelists do? They try to characterize it as an assault on THEM when Jews come to try to DEFEND the assault to the REALITY of what Judaism is all about!
Let's say someine prints a false story in the newspaper. An article comes out the next day making a correction. By Abigail's reckoning, that is an ATTACK on the person who made the false statement.
No attack from any Jews has happened here, I've simply seen Jews from Reform to Orthodox standing up against dishonesty. That is something we are OBLIGATED to do by commandment in Torah.
Shalom
EDIT: I will not even bother to try to refute the false charge against me that ring very hollow if my words above are actually read.
BTW, I am not in charge of some kind of Jewish possee to defend misrepresentation of Judaism. I don't know every Jew in Y/A, this is just one issue that ALL of the Jewish belief agree upon! Jewish law alone determines Jewish identity. Christian dogma does not.
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